Comments on: The Best PHP Framework to Learn http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/ addictive design, development, and seo Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:20:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Toby http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-597 Toby Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:20:34 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-597 I have done lots of PHP websites without any framework....then I did some projects in WebObjects and afterwards using Tapestry4 and then Tapestry5 (Java world). I am now doing a PHP project again and looking for the best framework in terms of simple, clean and fast code without over-complicating everything. After working with Tapestry5, the Zend framework looks like going back to the middle ages again: 1. Why on earth should I create database tables? When the objects are defined, the database should be generated automatically (e.g. like Hibernate in the Java world). 2. using the Zend framework means lots of lines of code that is repetitive and not really necessary. When a simple paginator means so much code as described here: http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/learning.paginator.together.html this means I need 5-10 times longer for a project. Ruby on Rails would be better then PHP using Zend...but still - even Ruby on Rails is only 70% of what Tapestry offers and why on earth should I learn another "fashion" language? Just my 2 cents. I have done lots of PHP websites without any framework….then I did some projects in WebObjects and afterwards using Tapestry4 and then Tapestry5 (Java world).

I am now doing a PHP project again and looking for the best framework in terms of simple, clean and fast code without over-complicating everything.

After working with Tapestry5, the Zend framework looks like going back to the middle ages again:

1. Why on earth should I create database tables? When the objects are defined, the database should be generated automatically (e.g. like Hibernate in the Java world).

2. using the Zend framework means lots of lines of code that is repetitive and not really necessary.

When a simple paginator means so much code as described here: http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/learning.paginator.together.html this means I need 5-10 times longer for a project.

Ruby on Rails would be better then PHP using Zend…but still – even Ruby on Rails is only 70% of what Tapestry offers and why on earth should I learn another “fashion” language?

Just my 2 cents.

]]> By: Quentin http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-594 Quentin Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:04:33 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-594 Can anyone recommend good books or online material to start learning Zend? Can anyone recommend good books or online material to start learning Zend?

]]> By: will http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-591 will Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:48:50 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-591 I think its become increasingly obvious Zend framework is not the way forward for php developers. They just haven't delivered a useful, logical framework that will make your life easier as a developer and enable you to make fantastic websites & applications. There are a few other options that are a good choice depending on preference, with good support and documentation. Zend Framework is not one of them. Picking one because you think it might be the industry standard when there are clearly better solutions is not a good idea. I think its become increasingly obvious Zend framework is not the way forward for php developers. They just haven’t delivered a useful, logical framework that will make your life easier as a developer and enable you to make fantastic websites & applications. There are a few other options that are a good choice depending on preference, with good support and documentation. Zend Framework is not one of them. Picking one because you think it might be the industry standard when there are clearly better solutions is not a good idea.

]]> By: Amila Udana Kalinga http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-562 Amila Udana Kalinga Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:36:26 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-562 I was studying Zend framework, because it is zend. It is very nice in the beginning when studying it. But was so hard. We need a framework to make it easy in development but here it is not true. I thing going back to CodeIgniter is the best way to solve these issues. I was studying Zend framework, because it is zend. It is very nice in the beginning when studying it. But was so hard. We need a framework to make it easy in development but here it is not true. I thing going back to CodeIgniter is the best way to solve these issues.

]]> By: Gokhan http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-561 Gokhan Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:45:42 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-561 Agree, if career is the only parameter go for .NET. If quality, speed and pleasure of developing code are parameters then go for Ruby On Rails Agree, if career is the only parameter go for .NET.

If quality, speed and pleasure of developing code are parameters then go for Ruby On Rails

]]> By: magallanes http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-556 magallanes Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:19:08 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-556 Zend framework is just FUD, and a developer just must learn it, put in the resume then forget about it. In any case, almost all framework are useless, specially those mvc framework around here. Why?. because you are adding a extra (and complex) layer and you are gaining nothing but adding extra code. Zend Framework specifically is awful, ZF is a mix of several sources of code mix altogether without any rules. The goal of ZF is to growth and nothing else much, the more code ZF add to their stuff then the most bloated and complex it will become. Zend framework is just FUD, and a developer just must learn it, put in the resume then forget about it.

In any case, almost all framework are useless, specially those mvc framework around here.

Why?. because you are adding a extra (and complex) layer and you are gaining nothing but adding extra code.

Zend Framework specifically is awful, ZF is a mix of several sources of code mix altogether without any rules. The goal of ZF is to growth and nothing else much, the more code ZF add to their stuff then the most bloated and complex it will become.

]]> By: Craigs http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Craigs Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:34:01 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-548 1 major point I agree with the author: Php jobs are increasing day by day. Most of the companies that are offering php jobs are asking knowledge zend framework as a necessity. 1 major point I agree with the author: Php jobs are increasing day by day.

Most of the companies that are offering php jobs are asking knowledge zend framework as a necessity.

]]> By: dimis283 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-545 dimis283 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:26:49 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-545 I used codeigniter and for a small project kohana but now I am stick with yiiframework.com,I thing it is a good and a better choice of 2 previous. I used codeigniter and for a small project kohana but now I am stick with yiiframework.com,I thing it is a good and a better choice of 2 previous.

]]> By: Ariel Z. http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Ariel Z. Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:39:46 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-289 I hate Zend Framework, I have read 2 books on it and I barely "get it"!! Why is it so hard??? what i can't stand to keep looking where things are?? And every installation is different, some put "zend" in include folder and some in library. Objects are put in include folder or application / ..argh... and forget about view stupied Zend_layout keeps changing where the view files are!! Why why why... As a programer for 10-15 years, why do they make something that should be so easy so hard.. I spend half my time finding where things should go... Can anyone suggest a solution? I have read "Practical Web2.0", "PHP in Action" Ariel I hate Zend Framework, I have read 2 books on it and I barely “get it”!!

Why is it so hard??? what i can’t stand to keep looking where things are??

And every installation is different, some put “zend” in include folder and some in library. Objects are put in include folder or application / ..argh…

and forget about view stupied Zend_layout keeps changing where the view files are!!

Why why why… As a programer for 10-15 years, why do they make something that should be so easy so hard.. I spend half my time finding where things should go…

Can anyone suggest a solution? I have read “Practical Web2.0″, “PHP in Action”

Ariel

]]> By: Neeraj http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-185 Neeraj Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:28:14 +0000 http://www.stylevein.com/2007/10/02/the-best-php-framework-to-learn/#comment-185 I have used cake and codeigniter both in my previous projects and undoubtedly cake is a better choice because of simplicity in learning curves.. Only yesterday I tried zend framework and gone through the documentation available on the website. Although I succeeded to create the first Index controller but frankly speaking there is not much available tutorials for ZF. Can anybody help me to find a good tutorial for ZF. Thanks in advance I have used cake and codeigniter both in my previous projects and undoubtedly cake is a better choice because of simplicity in learning curves..

Only yesterday I tried zend framework and gone through the documentation available on the website. Although I succeeded to create the first Index controller but frankly speaking there is not much available tutorials for ZF.

Can anybody help me to find a good tutorial for ZF.

Thanks in advance

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